Thomas Built Buses TBB 6002 SafTLiner HDX Chassis

Thomas Built Buses TBB 6002 Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Student Guide

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Course Objectives • locate primary system components • locate harness and wiring routing • read and understand Thomas drawings • understand J 1587 and J 1939 • utilize ICU for diagnostics • follow troubleshooting procedure TBB 6002 Page

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Course Content 1. Primary System Components 2. Battery, Ignition, Ground 3. Wiring and Harnesses 4. Understanding Thomas Drawings 5. J 1587 and J 1939 6. Retrieving fault codes 7. Evaluation TBB 6002 Page

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Section 1 Primary System Components TBB 6002 Page

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Primary Components Locations • Front Interior Compartment • Transmission Control Center • Engine Compartment TBB 6002 Page 1 -2

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Primary System Components Front Interior Compartment TBB 6002 Page 1 -3

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Primary System Components Front Interior Compartment ABS ECU PCB#4 Signal Stat Printed Circuit Board 4, ABS Control Module Signal Stat Module TBB 6002 Page 1 -4

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Primary System Components Front Interior Compartment Front VEC Centers 9 pin Data Link Daytime Running Light Module Option VEC Centers, Daytime Running Light Module, 9 pin Data Link Connector TBB 6002 Page 1 -5

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Primary System Components Front Interior Compartment Mercedes Engine VCU TBB 6002 Page 1 -6

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Primary System Components Front VEC Centers • identified as P 190, P 221 in drawings • provides additional connections and control for various options TBB 6002 Page 1 -7

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Primary System Components Transmission Control Center • located on left frame rail at front axle • contains transmission TCU and VIM See Drawing# 62180452 TBB 6002 Page 1 -8

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Transmission Control Center Vehicle Interface Module - VIM • service brake active signal to TCU • neutral start • neutral sense- fast idle, lift operation • reverse- signal from TCU for back-up alarm • retarder active – signal for brake lights TBB 6002 Page 1 -9

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Primary System Components Rear Box • standard size • rear ignition, start TBB 6002 Page 1 -10

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Primary System Components Rear Box See drawing#62204035 VEC 9 pin Data Link 100 amp Contactor TBB 6002 Page 1 -11

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Primary System Components VEC-Vehicle Electrical Center • rear ignition relay • fan controller relay • air dryer relay • engine ignition power • rear start relay • power and ground to engine-mounted ecu TBB 6002 Page 1 -12

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Section 2 Battery , Ignition and Ground TBB 6002 Page

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Battery, Ignition and Ground Battery Switches on Rear Box signal to Breaker Solid State Power Switch controls battery to Body and Chassis TBB 6002 Page 2 -2

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Battery, Ignition and Ground Battery From Power Switch to Bulkhead studs then to PCB 1 & 2 for Body and PCB 4 for Chassis TBB 6002 Page 2 -3

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Battery, Ignition and Ground Use Drawings#6220419 & 62205231 to answer these questions Where is PCB 4 grounded? ____________ The intake heater has a _____amp breaker> The positive cable go from the battery to the _____. The negative cable on the alternator goes to the ______. The key switch on signal goes from the key switch to ______ then to_____ then to ______ What is the circuit number controlled by the engine compartment door? ______ What circuit number tells the start circuit the bus is in neutral? _____ List the fuse/s that could cause the ignition circuit to fail: ______________________ TBB 6002 Page 2 -4

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Section 3 Wiring and Harnesses TBB 6002 Page

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Wiring Harnesses Types: • Interior- dash • Exterior- chassis inside left frame rail, front bumper • Rear Box –inside the box See Drawing#62204066 This is a list by harness type (location) Note there are 17 interior harnesses, each bus only has 1. On older pusher models each system had its own harness like engine, ABS, Transmission These harnesses were combined into only 2 harnesses Only use the drawings that match your bus components like MBE, WABCO, Allison 3000 series TBB 6002 Page 3 -2

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Wiring • 3 panel design allows easy access to front exterior harness and bulkhead connections TBB 6002 Page 3 -3

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Wiring Bulk Head J 76 J 75 • Transition from Interior Harness to Exterior Harness • Junction for battery and ground cables TBB 6002 Page 3 -4

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Wiring Terminal Board See drawing#62204066 • attached to bulkhead behind PCB#4 • used to combine common circuits; J 1587, GND • identified as TB 1 in drawings • older models had a TB#2 inside rear box TBB 6002 Page 3 -5

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Wiring • color coded • SAE J 2191 standards • numbered every 4 inches TBB 6002 Page 3 -6

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Wiring Circuit Numbers 52#1104 Thomas 52 # SAE 1104 See drawing#62205231 start circuit Locate circuit 52#1104 Locate circuit 52 B#1104 • use the Thomas circuit number when tracing a wire The SAE number will be the same for circuits with similar functions TBB 6002 Page 3 -7

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical (SAE number has been omitted) Circuit Numbers Circuit number Description Color 1 Engine ECM bat gnd (in) W 6 Engine ECM bat power (in) R 19 Gauge power rear box PK 21 Headlamp high LTG 47 Fuel sender signal PK-W 48 Fuel level+ PK-W 52 Ignition Power PK 52 Ignition PK 102 Marker power BR 116 Panel lamp ground W 122 Roll back module power BL 173 Man trans clutch sw grnd(out) LTBL-W 196 Fuel water/separator power DKG-W 200 Remote throttle sig analog PRP 250 Ecm Ground(out) GY 278 Right control switch supply PRP-W 279 Left control switch supply PRP-W 289 Transmission neutral signal W 294 Air tank drain R/R-W 305 Ignition switch power PK 305 Ignition access supply PK 306 Ignition run signal PK TBB 6002 Page 3 -8

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Circuit Numbers TBB 6002 307 Headlamp power GY 307 Headlamp power LTG 309 Park brake input R-W 320 Windshield wiper PRP-W 335 A/C signal LTBL 342 Ammeter signal PK 385 DRL power LTG 392 Adj pedal signal R-W 393 Adj pedal return R-W 431 Preheater power DKG 443 Door signal T-W 446 Snow chain R-W 108 A Stepwell light PRP-W 1139 Y Water in fuel light gnd GY 122 A Roll back module signal BL 136 B Neutral signal BL 14 BS Gauge power R 14 E Chassis power LED R 18 G Low air pressure SW jumper W 200 J PTO set speed B signal PRP 222 F Hdlmp dim sig flash to pass LTG 222 L Hdlmp dim sig lh turn LTG 233 B Opt indicator lamp RW 23 C Backup lights BR 262 B Retarder signal (in) R-W Page 3 -9

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Circuit Numbers 262 G Retarder in use R-W 262 K Brake switch signal R-W 278 A Right wiper motor park supply PRP-W 278 B Right wiper motor low supply PRP-W 278 C Right wiper motor high supply PRP-W 279 A Left wiper motor park supply PRP-W 279 B Left wiper motor low supply PRP-W 279 C Left wiper motor high supply PRP-W 294 A Air tank drain R-W 29 A Lamp power supply BR 29 D Lamp ground GY/BR 30 G Transmission Temp- LTBL-W 315 A Wiper module park DKBL 315 B Wiper module low DKBL 315 C Wiper module high DKBL 342 A Ammeter common W 376 A Battery power R 376 C Ignition power O 376 II ABS relay active signal O 376 J ABS ECU serv brake signal O 376 LI ABS lamp O 376 R Retarder disable signal O 377 LF+ Left Front wheel speed signal BR 377 LFO Left front modulator exhaust O 377 LR- Left rear wheel speed return W TBB 6002 Page 3 -10

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Circuit Numbers 377 LR+ Left rear wheel speed signal BR 377 RF- Right front wheel speed return O 377 RF+ Right front wheel speed signal BR 377 RR- Right rear wheel speed return O 377 RR+ Right rear wheel speed signal BR 378 LF- Left front modulator common W 378 LFI Left front modulator hold O 378 LR- Left rear modulator common W 378 LRI Left rear modulator hold O 378 RF- Right front modulator common W 378 RFI Right front modulator hold O 378 RFO Right front modulator exhaust O 378 RR- Right rear modulator common W 378 RRI Right rear modulator hold O 378 RRO Right rear modulator exhaust O 38 L Left turn signal Y 38 R Right turn signal DKG 392 A Adj pedal return R-W 393 A Adj pedal signal R-W 406 D Crossing arm PRP-W 406 E Child alarm PRP-W 431 C Intake Grid Heater Lamp O 431 H Grid heater ground(out) W 439+ CAN+ (out) GY 439 A Ignition power GY TBB 6002 Page 3 -11

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Circuit Numbers TBB 6002 439 D- CAN- (in) GY 439 S- V speed signal (return) 439 S+ V speed signal (in) GY 439 U Ignition ground(out) PRP 439 V Fast idle indicator lamp sig PRP 439 W- H 2 O in fuel sensor return GY 439 W+ H 2 O in fuel sensor signal GY 440 A Dash check eng lamp GY 440 B Dash park brake lamp GY 440 B Service brake switch GY 440 E Cruise set signal GY 440 F Cruise set signal GY 440 G Serv brake SW W 440 OT TPS sensor ground GY 440 P- TPS sensor signal- GY 440 P+ TPS sensor signal+ GY 440 S Dash buzzer ground W 440 S Stop eng dash lamp W 440 V 1 Idle validation(NC) signal GY 440 V 2 Idle validation(NO) signal GY 443 G Door return DKBL 461 A Reverse signal BL 47 G Fuel sender ground W 48 G Fuel level- PK-W 52 B Ignition PK Page 3 -12

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Circuit Numbers TBB 6002 52 C Start signal PK 58 E Coolant pump LTBL 60 A Right turn signal Y 61 A Left turn signal DKG 6 A Battery power R 6 B Battery power R 6 C Battery power R 6 D Battery power R 6 E Battery power R 6 F Battery power R 71 AA Ignition power R 71 B Key SW starter interlock PK 98 A Heater fan low LTBL 98 AD Defrost fan low LTBL 98 B Heater fan medium LTBL 98 H Heater fan high LTBL 98 HD Defrost fan high LTBL 98 PD Defrost fan low LTBL BAT Battery power R C 840 Emission signal GY C 844 Emission signal return GY C 857 Starter lockout GY C 857 Engine running signal GY C 998 Emission return GY E 002 Battery power BK Page 3 -13

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Circuit Numbers TBB 6002 E 003 Battery power sensor BK E 008 Retarder enable W E 009 Ground W E 014 Reverse signal BK E 033 Dimmer power PK E 107 Solenoid G return BK E 110 Solenoid F return BK E 1106 Key SW aux range inhibit BK E 1107 Second shift schedule BK E 1109 Exhaut brake signal BK E 1110 Retarder disable signal BK E 1123 Range inhibit BK E 1125 Trans Ind Lamp W E 1125 Range inhibit signal BK E 1126 Trans TCU speed signal T E 1128 Brake return signal BK E 119 Exhaust brake signal BK E 120 Solenoid A return BK E 121 Solenoid B, E supply BK E 1212 Transmission temp lamp W E 123 Power for neutral signal BK E 128 Solenoid B return BK E 130 Solenoid C, G supply BK E 131 Solenoid D return BK E 139 Output speed sensor BK Page 3 -14

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Circuit Numbers E 141 Engine speed sensor T E 144 Sensor ground BK E 147 Sump temp signal BK E 162 C 3 pressure signal BK E 165 Oil level signal BK E 169 Exhaust brake signal BK E 170 Shift selector data bit 1 BK E 171 Shift selector data bit 2 BK E 172 Shift selector data bit 4 BK E 173 Shift selector data bit 8 BK E 174 Shift selector parity bit BK E 180 Shift selector display BK E 195 Transm Idle signal BK GND Ground W GNDE Electronics ground W GNDH Heater ground W J 1587 - O J 1587+ DKG J 1587 S J 1587 shield J 1939 - DKG J 1939+ Y J 1939 S J 1939 shield N 23 Idle signal GY N 31 Wait to start light gnd GY N 98 A ECM power GY N 98 B ECM power GY N 98 C ECM power GY TBB 6002 Page 3 -15

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Wiring Maintenance Dos: • inspect wires • repair properly • protect Don’ts: • damage when testing • make poor repairs • leave loose Return to manufacture’s standard or improve it TBB 6002 Page 3 -16

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Wiring Each harness connector is labeled with a “Plug Number” The plug number will be referenced in the drawings Don’t remove the white labels TBB 6002 Page 3 -17

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Harness Plug Location Number Description Location B 58 Butt splice at Back-up Alarm Engine Compartment B 59 Butt splice at Back-up Alarm Engine Compartment BS 14 Butt splice at luggage compartment light Luggage Compartment BS 20 Butt splice at Booster Pump Engine Compartment BS 22 Butt splice at Engine Compartment Door Kill Switch Engine Compartment P 100 ABS ECM Interior Chassis Elec Center P 102 Right Front ABS Modulator Front Axle P 103 Right Front ABS Sensor Front Axle P 104 Left Front ABS Modulator Front Axle P 105 Left Front ABS Sensor Front Axle P 109 Adjustable foot pedal switch Dash P 111 Throttle Postion Sensor Pedal P 115 Shift Selector Dash P 12 Right Turn Dash P 120 Adjustable foot pedal motor Cab at pedal P 122 9 pin Deutch connector Interior Chassis Elec Center P 13 Left Turn Dash P 167 Single pin connector at fan controller Engine Compartment P 168 Two pin connector at fan controller Engine Compartment P 17 Engine ECM Engine Compartment P 183 Air Tank Pressure Sender Air Tank P 184 Air Tank Pressure Sender Air Tank TBB 6002 Page 3 -18

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Harness Plug Locations P 190 Fuse center below PCB#4 Interior Chassis Elec Center P 192 Heater at floor on left side of heater Cab P 196 Diode Block mounted to inside firewall Interior Chassis Elec Center P 207 Right Front Turn Signal Front External Bulkhead P 209 Left Front Turn Light Front External Bulkhead P 211 Left Wiper Motor Front External Bulkhead P 217 Wiper Module Interior Chassis Elec Center P 218 Steering Column P 221 Fuse center below PCB#4 Interior Chassis Elec Center P 229 Rear Ignition Switch Rear Box Engine Compartment P 230 Engine Start Switch Rear Box Engine Compartment P 231 Engine Compartment Light Switch Engine Compartment P 232 Chassis Power Switch Rear Box Engine Compartment P 233 Body Power Switch Rear Box Engine Compartment P 246 Mercedes VCU/brown Interior Chassis Elec Center P 247 Mercedes VCU/gray Interior Chassis Elec Center P 248 Mercedes VCU/purple Interior Chassis Elec Center P 276 Luggage Compartment Switch Cab Switch Panel P 287 J 1939 Data Link connection to Transm TCU Forward of Front Axle P 288 Air Dryer P 43 Daytime Running Light Module Interior Chassis Elec Center P 46 Wiper Module Interior Chassis Elec Center P 50 Key Switch Dash P 53 Cruise On/Off Switch Dash P 54 Cruise Set/Resume Switch Dash TBB 6002 Page 3 -19

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Harness Plug Locations P 60 Dimmer Switch Steering Column P 64 Pink connector to ICU Dash P 65 Pink connector to ICU Dash P 74 Stepwell light Stepwell P 75 62 pin Bulkhead Connector Front External Bulkhead P 76 102 pin chassis bulkhead connector Front External Bulkhead P 78 VEC/Black outside rear box Engine Compartment P 79 VEC/Gray outside rear box Engine Compartment P 8 Right Head Light Front External Bulkhead P 80 VEC/Blue outside rear box Engine Compartment P 81 VEC/Green outside rear box Engine Compartment P 83 Rear electrical box Engine Compartment P 85 VEC 2 pin outside rear box Engine Compartment P 9 Left Head Light Front External Bulkhead P 93 J 1939 terminating resistor Interior Chassis Elec Center P 96 Fuel/Water Separator Sensor Engine Compartment P 99 ABS ECM Interior Chassis Elec Center T 12 Single ring terminal at Battery+ Battery Box T 13 Single ring terminal at Battery- Battery Box T 14 Single ring terminal at Battery- Battery Box T 16 Single ring terminal at alternator Alternator T 18 Single spade terminal at washer motor Front External Bulkhead T 19 Single spade terminal at washer motor Front External Bulkhead TB 2 -1 Terminal Board 2 inside Rear Box Engine Compartment TB 2 -2 Terminal Board 2 inside Rear Box Engine Compartment TB 2 -3 Terminal Board 2 inside Rear Box Engine Compartment TBB 6002 Page 3 -20

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Section 4 Understanding Thomas Drawings TBB 6002 Page

Thomas Body PCB Electrical Understanding Thomas Drawings Types Charts- a visual graph displaying routing and/or options information used as reference Installation- a visual representation of either the component installation like harness routing or the installed component Assembly- a visual representation of every piece used to make the assembly includes dimensions and part numbers assembly drawing numbers are the part number for the assembly Schematic- a visual representation of the flow of electricity through a specific path including all components used primarily for diagnostic purposes Page 4 -2

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Understanding Thomas Drawings Installation Drawing Answer the following questions using Drawing#130479 On a MBE engine when is the fan turned on? ____ How long does it take for the fan to Ramp UP? _______ Where is the battery supply connected to the module? ___________________ At what temperature is the alarm activated? ____ Answer the following questions using Drawing#62180452 What is the part number of the VIM? ________ How many fasteners are required to install the TCU? ___ TBB 6002 Page 4 -3

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Understanding Thomas Drawings Assembly Drawings Use Drawing#62205207 to answer these questions What is the distance from the Bulkhead to the Body Chassis Interface? _____ Where would I find CHAS_H_PCB_P 22 -C? _____ Describe a plan to locate splice S 7 on the bus? _________________________ How many cavity positions are in P 76? ______ Circuit 200#1413 starts at plug______ pin no______ and goes to plug______ pin no______. What is the function of wire 379 A ? _______ What is the vendor’s part number for circuit 37 in P 220? _____ TBB 6002 Page 4 -4

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Understanding Thomas Drawings Locate Drawing#62204008 Common Systems Where would I find P 11 -C? ___________ What is the plug number for the DRL module? ______ What color is circuit 37#1313? ______ What is the pin location for circuit 279 C#2102 at the wiper module? _______ The bold vertical dotted line indicates________ Locate J 76, the connector is drawn different at the top than at the bottom; why? _____________ What major system component is located at grid location D 3? ____________ Locate circuit 439 A#1512 at grid C 5; where would I find the other end of this wire? __________ TBB 6002 Page 4 -5

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Understanding Thomas Drawings Answer the following questions using Drawings#62203615 and 62203126 Relay#_____ on PCB 4 supplies B 4 buss bar with ignition power. PCB 4 has ______ 30 amp buss bars. LED#17 on PCB 4 is ____ and tells the bus the ________ is in use. The decal found on the back of the front interior compartment will tell me what each LED light indicates. Yes or No What is the horn fuse number? _______amps Relay K-1 is used for ___________. Where can I located the wire that signals the body that the key switch is on? _________________ PCB 4 supplies the ABS _______________ TBB 6002 Page 4 -6

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Understanding Thomas Drawings Locate Drawing#62204008 Common Systems Complaint: left headlight does not come Draw a straight line schematic for this circuit What could cause this complaint? __________ Where should I begin testing? ___________ TBB 6002 Page 4 -7

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Section 5 J 1587 & J 1939 TBB 6002 Page

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical J 1587 ICU 3 VCU TCU ECU ABS Used for Communicating • outputs – dash indicators, active fault code, ICU • BAUD rate 9, 600 bits per second • orange and green wires twisted once per inch Each of the system modules uses these wires The ICU 3 gets its gauge, voltage and odometer info via 1587 from engine If J 1587 is open what behavior will the driver report? _____________________ TBB 6002 Page 5 -2

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical J 1939 Hydraulic Control module VCU ECU TCU ABS Used for Communicating • outputs – digital signals to other systems • BAUD rate 256, 000 bits per second • yellow and green wires twisted once per inch • bi-directional path What does the Engine tell the Transmission? ___________________ What does the Transmission tell the Engine? ___________________ Does the Hydraulic Fan Control Module use J 1939 for outputs or inputs? ________ TBB 6002 Page 5 -3

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical J 1939 120 ohm Terminating Resistors-TR Required to maintain consistent environment for data Locate at front and rear of harness (bus) TBB 6002 Page 5 -4

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical J 1939 Construction and Repair • round Deutsch pins • special crimper required • gold plated pins • replace bad connectors • replace harness by section or solder twice per color TBB 6002 Page 5 -5

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical J 1939 Hands-on Activity If J 1939 is open between the engine and transmission, what behavior would the driver report? ____________________ What happens if the Hydraulic Fan module does not receive temperature data? ___________________ Use handout 54 -15 to conduct testing of J 1939 TBB 6002 Page 5 -6

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical J 1587 & J 1939 Hydraulic Fan Control Module TBB 6002 Page 5 -7

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical J 1587 & J 1939 Hydraulic Fan Control Module TBB 6002 Page 5 -8

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Section 6 Retrieving Fault Codes TBB 6002 Page

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Retrieving Active Fault Codes • ICU dash cluster is a micro-processor • receives data via J 1587 and displays • any system module with an active fault will transmit code via J 1587 • code will be displayed in LED screen TBB 6002 Page 6 -2

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Retrieving Active Fault Codes Before Code Retrieval: • locate Reset Mode button • set Park Brake • turn key switch to on TBB 6002 Page 6 -3

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Retrieving Active Fault Codes Using the Reset/Mode Button 1. Push/Release 2. 3. 2. Push/Hold 3. diag 1 Fault 1 3. Push/Release 4. MID# 5. Push/Release 6. PID/SID# 4. Push/Release 5. 5. Push/Hold 6. TBB 6002 diagnostics #faults FMI# first Module Identifier Parameter Subsystem Failure Mode Identifier Fault 2 second Page 6 -4

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Hands-on Activity Using the ICU Dash Retrieve the Active Fault Codes MID___________ SID/PID________ FMI___________ Using Drawing 62204870 Translate the codes _______________________________ TBB 6002 Page 6 -5

Saf-T-Liner HDX Chassis Electrical Section 7 Evaluation TBB 6002 Page

Training Evaluation Class: _____________ Date: ______ Instructor: ___________ Please circle the number on each scale which most closely reflects your opinion 1. Student manuals and handouts were? Excellent Good 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Poor 10 2. Overheads, presentations, and video tapes were? Excellent Good Poor 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 3. Shop demonstrations were? Excellent Good 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Poor 10 8 9 8 Too Short 9 10 5. The pace of the presentation was? Too Fast Just Right 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Too Slow 9 10 6. The amount of shop time was? Too Much Just Right 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Not Enough 9 10 4. The length of the course was? Too Long Just Right 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

Training Evaluation page 2 Please circle the number on each scale which most closely reflects your opinion 7. Did the class provide the expected instruction? Yes Somewhat No 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Comments: ____________________________________ 8. Would you recommend this class to others? Definitely To Some No 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 9. Do you feel that what you’ve learned will help you do your job better? Help A Lot Help Some No Help 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 10. What was your overall impression of the course? Excellent Good Poor 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11. If you were to make changes, what would they be? ___________________________________________ Thanks for attending our class