The TeacherStudent Relationship in Plato Lisa Wolk teacher

The Teacher/Student Relationship in Plato Lisa Wolk

teacher, n. 1. That which shows or points out 2. One whose function is to give instruction, esp. in a school. To teach: 1. To impart or convey the knowledge of; to give instruction or lessons in (a subject); to make known, deliver (a message) 2. To deliver, hand over, give; to give in trust, commit, entrust, commend to the keeping of some one. Obs. ** From the Oxford English Dictionary online

student, n. 1. A person who is engaged in or addicted to study. 2. A person who is undergoing a course of study and instruction at a university or other place of higher education or technical training. To learn: 1. To acquire knowledge of (a subject) or skill in (an art, etc. ) as a result of study, experience, or teaching. 2. To be informed, to ascertain, hear (of) ** From the Oxford English Dictionary online

The Academy: Historical Background As the Introduction to Plato in the B&H text states: Products of Plato’s school: Philosophers, not politicians (80) School curriculum stressed mathematics, natural science, political theory (80) School’s theoretical underpinnings were opposed to the Sophists (80) School did admit some women (80)

So…What is Knowledge? Some Quotes “All men by nature desire knowledge. ” – Aristotle, On Man in the Universe “The knowledge of all things is possible. ” –Leonardo da Vinci “Nothing that is worth knowing can be taught. ” –Oscar Wilde You can't know, you can only believe - or not. ” –C. S. Lewis **From www. goodreads. com/quotes

Plato on Knowledge Continuing with the Intro to Plato in the B&H text: Knowledge beyond the physical human world does exist – transcendental (81) This knowledge has always existed; our souls knew it before our physical existence (81) We aren’t learning new things—we are simply remembering what we knew before (81) It falls to the teacher/philosopher to shepherd the student towards this remembered knowledge—to bring this knowledge back out of the student (81) This shepherding occurs through dialogue (rhetoric!) (81)

Teacher/Student Relationship The teacher/student relationship involves an older teacher and a younger (generally considerably younger) student. What are the implications of this age difference? Invites a power struggle; because of this hierarchy, Phaedrus must invite and then accept Socrates to be a person of authority. In so doing, Phaedrus must also be willing to undergo any changes that Socrates may impart. In classical Greece, the pederastic relationship was necessary in the teacher/student relationship--eros was an important feature.

The Teacher’s Role Socrates first teases Phaedrus in order to establish his authority over his student, and also to provoke Phaedrus into asking for more instruction: After Phaedrus finishes giving Lysias’s speech, Socrates says to him, “More than that, it is miraculous, my friend; I am quite overcome by it” (142). Socrates also showers Phaedrus with terms of endearment throughout: “My friend, ” “my darling, ” “you are a darling and truly golden, ” etc.

The Teacher’s Qualifications As Socrates explains, the teacher/rhetorician must himself know truth before he can disseminate truth to others: “A man must know the truth about all the particular things of which he speaks or writes, and must be able to define everything separately […] and in the same way he must understand that nature of the soul […] Until he has attained all this, he will not be able to speak by the method of art. ” (167). Once the teacher has mastered rhetoric (or the art of speaking), he will be able to control language in order to get his students to seek and re-discover knowledge (remember, we already possess the knowledge but must simply remember it).

The Student’s Role As mentioned earlier, the student must be submissive to the teacher in order to be in a position to accept (or at least entertain the possibility of acceptance) what the teacher is telling him. The student must appeal to the teacher by complimenting him so that the teacher is moved to help the student (Phaedrus tells Socrates he is an “amazing and most remarkable person” [140]). Despite being submissive, the student can, and should, question his teacher and seek alternate opinions. (Phaedrus does this by considering the discourses by Lysias, Tisias, and Socrates).

Tensions in the Teacher/ Student Relationship Authority of the teacher vs. submission by the student Teacher’s desire for increasing his own knowledge vs. teacher’s desire to help student discover knowledge (not enough time for both) Student’s respect of teacher vs. desire to hear the opinions of other teachers

Dangers of False Knowledge The teacher can easily lead the student astray if the teacher himself does not posses the truth. Or, the teacher can intentionally lead others astray for the purposes of evil. Socrates underscores this point with his example of the horse vs. the ass (156 -157). Socrates also makes a distinction between pursuing truth and opinions, favoring the former (158).

Your Turn Do you side with the Platonic or Sophistic view of knowledge? Why? How do you think human knowledge is gained and/or possessed? In what ways do we see the Platonic notions of the student/teacher relationship today? How are our teacher/student relationships different? What should the role of the teacher be? What sorts of actions violate the teacher-student relationship?

Works Consulted/ Further Reading Ausland, Hayden. “Poetry, Rhetoric, and Fiction in Plato’s Phaedrus. Symbolae Osloenses. 84. 1 (2010): 2 -25. Arts and Humanities Citation Index. Web. 23 Sept. 2014. Brook, Tiffany. “The Language of Love and Learning: Connecting Eros, Rhetoric, and Knowledge in the Phaedrus. ” Midwest Quarterly. 51. 3 (2010): 254 -69. Scopus. Web. 23 Sept. 2014. Mc. Pherran, Mark. “Socrates, Plato, Eros, and Liberal Education. ” Oxford Review of Education. 36. 5 (2010): 527 -41. Scopus. Web. 23 Sept. 2014.