THE 12 DECISIVE BATTLES OF THE THREE INDOCHINA
THE 12 DECISIVE BATTLES OF THE THREE INDO-CHINA WARS THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY presented DAVE SABBEN by WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © MG DAVE SABBEN ON CREATIVE CONTENT 08 – A Shau - Hamburger Hill May 1969
THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY DAVE SABBEN BACKGROUND WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © since the Second Indo-China War started in ON CREATIVEEver CONTENT 1959, the North had been infiltrating men and supplies down a series of tracks through Laos and entering the South through a series of river valleys near the Laos border. The main route lay through the border town of Lao Bao, thence up the Da Krong River valley, over the ridge and down the A Shau River valley. Not only was this a route – it became a major base area and warehouse / supply depot. 2
THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY LOCATE THE AREA DAVE SABBEN WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © is now designated the “Ho Chi Minh Road” ON CREATIVEWhat CONTENT was then a series of tracks, river crossings and camps and developed by the Americans into Route 548 (now Route 14). Here’s the valley… Note the arrow indicating North … because we’re going to skew the map… 10 Km 6. 2 Miles Note the new North. And let’s take some time to describe the new map-diagram… Note Route 922 from Laos to Route 14. 3
THE A SHAU VALLEY The A Shau River valley is a 28 -mile-long “gash” in the mountainous spine of Viet Nam inland from Hue and lying parallel to the Laos border. It is up to 2 miles wide and, except where cultivated, is covered in dense, 3 -canopy THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION jungle, tangled vines, thick bamboo and WAS PREPAREDelephant BY grass tall enough to hide an APC. DAVE SABBEN WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © the NVA had launched a Spring Each year, ON CREATIVE CONTENT Offensive from the valley. However, after the Hue debacle of Tet 1968, Special Forces recce patrols noted plenty of traffic coming into the area but little going out. The NVA were obviously stockpiling. 10 Km 6. 2 Miles It was a remote area and no Allies had operated there since the French, in the 40 s and 50 s. The NVA had more than ten years to build their infrastructure. 4
DA KRONG looking SOUTH The two river valleys – key links in the Ho Chi Minh Trail. DA KRONG looking NORTH And a huge area in which to hide camps and caches… THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY A SHAU looking SOUTH A SHAU looking NORTH DAVE SABBEN WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © ON CREATIVE CONTENT 54
A Project Delta Recce Team prepares to leave on a covert surveillance mission to Route 922 HISTORY OF THE AREA In 1963, the U. S. Army Special Forces established a camp near A Shau village. On 9 March 1966, the NVA 95 th Regiment launched a major attack on the camp, and the next day, after hard fighting, it fell to the enemy. Within days, two more Special Forces camps THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION nearby were abandoned. The whole valley WAS PREPARED BY became the NVA’s exclusive domain. DAVE SABBEN The NVA operated out of the two valleys through WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © and 1967 and it was from these valleys that ON CREATIVE 1966 CONTENT the 1968 Tet Offensive and the capture of Hue was planned and equipped. 10 Km 6. 2 Miles It was suspected that an extension to Route 922 in Laos was being made to link into the A Shau. Secret recce patrols were put in to verify this. 48 Project Delta Operation, PIROUS 5 -67 patrols went in – and proved that the NVA were using the valley as a major infiltration corridor, using vehicular convoys at night. 6
With the Project Delta recce reports, it was decided to put the two valleys and the Route 922 area (the part within South Viet Nam) on the B-52 “Arclight” bombing program. DEWEY CANYON As well, after Hue was retaken in 1968, US and ARVN forces undertook a series of operations into the area: DELAWARE THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION * BY Apr-May 1968 - Operation Delaware. It WAS PREPARED endured stiff resistance and meagre results. SOMERSET DAVE SABBEN WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © - Operation Somerset. It had no * Aug 1968 ON CREATIVE CONTENT better luck than Operation Delaware. MASSACHUSETTS STRIKER * Jan-Feb 1969 – Operation Dewey Canyon. One of the most successful operations of the War. * 10 Km 6. 2 Miles Mar 1969 – Operation Massachusetts Striker. Another success, despite heavy casualties. We shall look at each of these briefly…. . 7
OPERATION DELAWARE 14 APRIL – 14 MAY 1968 Following an intense air bombardment and the setting up of several FSBs on nearby heights, the 1 st Cavalry Div (Airmobile), the ARVN 1 st Div and an ARVN airborne task force did an air assault into A Luoi. Despite intense AA fire, they secured the airstrip, which was then repaired by US Engineers. DELAWARE The force encountered stiff opposition but THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION discovered several huge caches of supplies. A WAS PREPARED BY large NVA defended position was attacked and DAVE SABBEN taken - capturing 315 Soviet K-44 rifles, a 60 mm WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © 36 Soviet mine detectors, 60 flamemortar tube, ON CREATIVE CONTENT throwers, 200+ chicom protective masks, 225 pounds of medical supplies, 600 122 mm rockets, 100 pounds of dynamite, 6 tons of rice, 60 cases of canned meat, 70 37 mm antiaircraft rounds and 3 B-40 rockets. Also 5 Russian trucks and 2 tanks. 10 Km 6. 2 Miles Appalling weather conditions forced closure of the Op on 14 May 68. The NVA suffered 739 KIA and lost tons of supplies. US losses were 86 KIA, 47 MIA, 530 WIA. Two jets and a C-130 cargo plane were shot down, as were 20+ choppers. 8
FSB EAGLES NEST FIRE SUPPORT BASES (FSBs) For each Op, a number of mutually-supporting FSBs were set up. These were always on peaks or ridgelines. We’ll show some of these FSBs as we go because they show what the country and the conditions were like… FSB FURY DELAWARE THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY DAVE SABBEN WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © ON CREATIVE CONTENT 10 Km 6. 2 Miles 9
OPERATION SOMERSET PLAN 4 – 19 AUGUST 1968 Two battalions of the 101 st Airborne Division, with two ARVN battalions, launched an airmobile operation into the valley just to the South of A Luoi. The Op had no better luck than Operation Delaware, and much the same weather, and THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION withdrew on August 19. However, it had secured WAS PREPARED BY a route into the valley from the East. SOMERSET DAVE SABBEN Airmobile insertion into A Shau Operations WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © into the valley were difficult to install and resupply by air, so it was decided to build a ON CREATIVE CONTENT road from Hue to A Luoi. This was started by US Engineers in August 1968 and was secured by a series of FSBs and clearance operations along the route. 10 Km 6. 2 Miles This road was not opened until 10 June 1969 – and will be referred to in a later slide. . The same road is still in use – it is Route 49. . 10
Evacuating an FSB after use THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY DAVE SABBEN WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © ON CREATIVE CONTENT 11
2/9 1/9 3/9 DEWEY CANYON OPERATION DEWEY CANYON 20 Jan – 13 Mar 1969 In January, 1969, after the road into the A Shau was constructed, Operation Dewey Canyon was launched up the Da Krong and into the top end of the A Shau. Led by 1, 2 & 3 battalions of the 9 th Marine Regiment, the Marines not only advanced to the THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION Laotian border but also launched a battalion-sized WAS PREPARED BY raid into Laos itself (Base Area 611). DAVE SABBEN They discovered that the NVA, protected by their WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT 6 th, 9 th, © and 29 th Regiments, had built major ON CREATIVE roads CONTENT in the area, and as many as 1, 000 trucks were moving East and South from there daily. 10 Km 6. 2 Miles After capturing enormous enemy arms caches, including 73 AAA guns, 16 122 mm artillery guns, nearly 1, 000 AK-47 rifles and more than a million rounds of small-arms and machine-gun ammo, the Marines withdrew on 13 March, 1969. The NVA had lost 1, 617 KIA while Marines lost 130 KIA and 920 WIA. 12
2/9 1/9 BASE AREA 611 3/9 OPERATION DEWEY CANYON 20 Jan – 13 Mar 1969 Operation Dewey Canyon was considered one of the best regimental manoeuvres of the Vietnam War. The statistics: The Marines had disrupted a major NVA logistics centre. As a result, the NVA were unable to launch any offensive into I Corps that YEAR (1969). THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY DA KRONG RIVER VALLEY Unfortunately, at the end of the operation, the NY DAVE SABBEN Times reported the incursion into neutral Laos. WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © Anti-war groups were up in arms. The Secretary of ON CREATIVE CONTENT Defense didn't confirm or deny the incursion. However, the US ambassador to Laos apologized for the incident. 10 Km 6. 2 Miles After the shocks of Tet, Hue, My Lai, Johnson’s decision against re-election, the ongoing Peace Talks frustrations, etc, the US public were more and more inclined to heed the Anti-War groups. More so when some Viet Vets themselves started to protest the war. 13
FSB Airborne THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY DAVE SABBEN WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © ON CREATIVE CONTENT 10 Km 6. 2 Miles 14
OPERATION MASSACHUSETTS STRIKER 1 Mar – 8 May 1969 2 Bde of 101 st Airborne entered the A Shau in bad weather but soon struck opposition. A 33 -day pursuit of supply depot defenders pushed them across the valley and into temporary positions on the Laos side – ironically, right where the next Operation (Apache Snow) was planned to start on THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION 10 May (see later slides). WAS PREPARED BY Massive NVA store caches were captured – DAVE SABBEN including©several trucks and bulldozers and a WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT heavy duty road that NVA engineers had been ON CREATIVE CONTENT constructing. A force occupied a position to set up MASSACHUSETTS STRIKER a new FSB (Lash) and found it was sitting on yet another NVA cache – 100 tons of brand-new SKS rifles, Chi. Com radios & field telephones, large stocks of medicines and even fourteen trucks. 10 Km 6. 2 Miles The Op ended on 8 May having accounted for 170 NVA KIA and capturing more than 150 tons of supplies including about 900 weapons. 15
FSB Lash THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY DAVE SABBEN WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © ON CREATIVE CONTENT 10 Km 6. 2 Miles 16
OPERATION APACHE SNOW 10 – 20 May 1969 Possibly the largest single airmobile assault of the Vietnam War. It involved ten battalions of the 101 st Airborne, the 1 st ARVN Division and the 9 th Marine Regiment, 3 rd Marine Division. Two battalions were simultaneously inserted into LZs APACHE near the Laos border in less than 45 minutes. SNOWTHIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION Surprise was complete - no helicopters were lost. WAS PREPARED BY DAVE SABBEN These two battalions were to block enemy escape WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © Laos along Highway 922 and to routes into ON CREATIVEinterdict CONTENT the highly used enemy Route 548 (Route 14) on the valley floor. The battalions were also to exploit a large cache area pin-pointed near Fire Base Airborne (used for Dewey Canyon). 10 Km 6. 2 Miles Recce patrols and Ops soon established that the NVA were concentrating on the hillmass called Dong Ap Bia (Trig Point 937), held by the major portion of the NVA’s 29 th Regt. 17
FSB Currahee FSB CURRAHEE May - June 1969 Because of the large numbers of troops and the consequent resupply issue, the US and ARVN forces needed a large base in the valley (as distinct from on a ridge or peak). FSB Currahee was established near the road and river systems met, South of A Luoi. The FSB was large enough THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION to include an LZ and resupply depot. WAS PREPARED BY DAVE SABBEN Once established, it remained in place beyond the WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT end © of the current Operation. ON CREATIVE CONTENT 10 Km 6. 2 Miles 18 23 18
Hamburger Hill seen from A Luoi THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY DAVE SABBEN Hill 937 was part of Ap Bia Mountain – a COPYRIGHT Snaking WHO RETAINS © down from its highest peak are a four-peak, looming, solitary ON massif, series of ridges and fingers, one of the CREATIVE CONTENT unconnected to the ridges of the largest extending southwards to a height of surrounding Annamite range. It dominates 900 meters, another reaching south west the valley, towering some 937 meters to a 916 -meter peak. above sea level. On a bright sunny day – as in the photo above – it is hard to take in the size of the The entire mountain is a rugged, uninviting mountain. wilderness blanketed in double- and triplecanopy jungle, dense thickets of bamboo But put on your sunglasses… and waist-high elephant grass. 19
THE BATTLE FOR THE HILL Early patrols climbed the ridges and found NVA on the main peak. They were well dug in and prepared to stay and fight. For three days the US forces probed and looked for weaknesses. At the same time, the hill was bombarded continually with artillery, aerial rocket artillery and airstrikes. THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION During this time, the US forces occupied the WAS PREPARED BY other peaks – the 916 and 900 features as DAVE SABBEN well as the one to the North West. WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © ON CREATIVE CONTENT 10 May – discovery and probes. 11 - 13 May – artillery, airstrike – take the other peaks. . 20
THE BATTLE FOR THE HILL Determined assaults 14 -16 May produced more casualties than results. The battle was attracting attention. On May 16, Associated Press warco Jay Sharbutt learned of the ongoing battle on Hill 937 and travelled to the area. He asked why infantry rather than firepower was used as the primary offensive tool on Hill 937. More reporters followed to cover the battle, and the term "Hamburger THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION Hill" became widely used. WAS PREPARED BY On May 18, two battalions assaulted the DAVE SABBEN enemy stronghold for the second time. One WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT ©Delta Coy, reported being within 25 unit, meters of the top when a torrential rainstorm ON CREATIVE CONTENT struck and forced the paratroopers to move off the hill which rain had turned into a mudslide. 10 May – discovery and probes. 11 - 13 May – artillery, airstrike – take the other peaks. . 14 - 16 May – early fighting for the peaks. 18 May – second attempt on 937 – fails. Two more battalions were moved up the hill to join the original two for a final assault. The operation was supported by some 217 airstrikes as well as fire from four 105 mm artillery batteries, two 155 mm batteries, one 175 mm battery and one 8 -inch battery. 21
THE BATTLE FOR THE HILL On the 19 th, Sharbutt’s report on the battle was published in the USA. Using considerable journalistic licence, he described it as a “meat-grinder”. At 10 in the morning of May 20 the fourpronged assault began. By early afternoon the Allies had taken the 937 peak. Most of the enemy had fled, but more than 600 NVA had THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION been killed. WAS PREPARED BY Sharbutt’s dispatches on 19 th and 20 th were DAVE SABBEN not innocuous descriptions of the fight as in WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT other© reports. He used emotive words which ON CREATIVE CONTENT struck a nerve: “The paratroopers came down the mountain, their green shirts darkened with sweat, their weapons gone, their bandages stained brown and red–with mud and blood. ” 10 May – discovery and probes. They set off a firestorm of protest back home. 11 - 13 May – artillery, airstrike – take the On the floor of the U. S. Senate, Sen. Edward other peaks. . Kennedy called the attack on Dong Ap Bia 14 - 16 May – early fighting for the peaks. "senseless, and irresponsible…madness“ and 18 May – second attempt on 937 – fails. “nothing but cruelty and savagery". And 20 May – 4 -pronged attack – succeeds. Senator George Mc. Govern denouncced “the senseless slaughter”. From 20 May – Opposition to the War grows… 22
These photos are of Dak To, but show similar scenes to Hamburger Hill THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY DAVE SABBEN WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © ON CREATIVE CONTENT 23
What then…? From 20 May… A body count confirmed that 633 NVA soldiers had died in the battle, but there is no telling how many other NVA soldiers were killed and wounded and carried into Laos, or buried alive in bunkers and IT tunnels, or ended up in forgotten graves in Laos. On 19 June… …President Nixon orders General Creighton Abrams to "conduct a minimum of American GOwar ONwith THE DEFENSIVE casualties” – no more attacks. the firestorm in the Senate… 241 pictured had been killed during the Hamburger Hill assault, increasing public disgust over what appeared to be a senseless loss of life. This article is considered to be a turning point in the war. On 27 June… WASN’T Life magazine ran photos of 241 Americans killed in Final U. S. casualties were 46 dead and 400 Vietnam in one week. Only five of these were THE wounded. While these losses were high, Hamburger casualties on Hamburger Hill. The feature was titled, Hill was not the bloodiest fight of the war. During the The Faces of the Dead in Vietnam: One Week’s Toll, CASUALTIES… SLIDE AND Tet Offensive week of February THIS 10 -17, 1968, 543 PRESENTATION and it was prefaced by a quote from a letter written PERMIT WAS PREPARED BY Americans were killed in action and 2, 547 wounded by one of those five soldiers during a break in the without causing any outcry from the American fighting: THE MEDIA DAVEpublic. SABBEN to read this. I am writing WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHTYou © may not be able. TO On 5 June… in a hurry. I see death. BE coming up the hill. ON CREATIVE CONTENT …the US quietly abandoned the hill… …resulting in The erroneous UNACCOUNTABLE impression was thus created that all …IT WAS THE WASTE On 8 June… President Nixon conferred with SVN President Thieu and announced plans to "Vietnamize" the war and to PLAN THE ESCAPE… start troop withdrawals of 25, 000 by 8 July & 35, 000 more by December. On 17 June… …US Intelligence admitted that some 1, 000 NVA had reoccupied the hill. In response… On 21 August… …the Nixon administration actions its “Vietnamization” program – now only “assisting SVN EXECUTE THE ESCAPE PLAN… armed forces to take over an increasing share of combat operations. ” 24
At Home Contrary to widespread belief, Vietnam is not the most unpopular war in American history. The Mexican War in 1848 was far more unpopular, as was the 1950 -53 war in Korea. The majority of Americans supported the war in Vietnam from the landing of the Marines in Da Nang in March 1965 (64 percent supporting, 21 percent opposed after the first U. S. combat engagements) until October 1967, when for the first time a plurality (46 percent opposed, 44 percent supporting) turned against the war. THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION Those 30 months equalled the period of time the American people supported the ground war in WAS PREPARED BY Europe in World War II, from the landing of U. S. forces in North Africa in November 1942 until SABBEN the. DAVE end of the war in May 1945. WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © Public opinion had turned – on ideological grounds, as the anti-war movement ONnot CREATIVE CONTENT would claim, but for pragmatic reasons: Either win the damn thing or get the hell out! was the prevalent sentiment. When the Johnson administration seemed unable to do either, the American people’s patience ran out. A February 1969 poll revealed that only 39 percent still supported the war, while 52 percent believed sending troops to fight in Vietnam had been a mistake. 25
Why decisive? The battle became a turning point in the war because: The pointlessness of the war became apparent to all; Strategy changed from “maximum pressure on the NVA” to “protective reaction”; It spelled the end of major American ground combat operations in Vietnam; From here, they moved into defence, and defence can’t win a war; . THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION PREPARED BY It brought. WAS in the first withdrawals of troops; DAVE SABBEN WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © The costs of effort exceeded the American people’s value attached to the war: ON CREATIVE CONTENT It introduced the decline of morale in the whole armed forces (the start of large-scale indiscipline, fraggings, drugs, desertions…) For the individual soldier, the goal of the war became survival. Anything that got in the way of that became expendable; They must have purpose to their mission and their sacrifices. When it gets to the point where the soldiers doubt the mission and think of their own survival, victory becomes impossible. 26
OPERATION MONTGOMERY RENDEZVOUS 8 JUNE – 14 AUGUST 1969 On June 8, an operation started against NVA in the high ground to the east of the A Shau. (Remember – this had already been planned while Washington was revising its thinking. ) US Engineers constructed a new airstrip on the valley floor near Ta Bat, and the final part of the new road from Hue (Route 547 [14]) was opened. THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION On BY June 10, a column of 80 tracked vehicles WAS PREPARED drove into the valley – on the new road…. . DAVE SABBEN WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © ON CREATIVE CONTENT 10 Km 6. 2 Miles 27
So – just to add a word about the war… The US presence included construction… While the Operations were in full swing, the Engineers were also building the road. At all times they needed FSBs and protection forces. The scale of the road-building operation was huge – survey, levelling, bridging… And it was built to stay – still being in use today. THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY DAVE SABBEN WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © ON CREATIVE CONTENT 28
The late General Abrams, the MACV commander at the time, should have the last word on the battle for Hamburger Hill. His biographer, Lewis Sorley, related: Shortly after the battle and its immediate aftermath, Abrams had several people over for a game of poker. They had dinner beforehand, and. AND Abrams told his guests: THIS SLIDE PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY ‘Today we had a congressional delegation in, including Teddy Kennedy. DAVE SABBEN They were complaining about the loss of life at Hamburger Hill. WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © I told them the last time the 29 th ON NVA Regiment came out of North Vietnam it destroyed Hue, CREATIVE CONTENT and I heard from every antiquarian in the world. This time, when they came out again, I issued orders that they were to be intercepted and defeated before they could get to Hue. We drove them back into North Vietnam, but I was criticized for the casualties that entailed. If they would let me know where they would like me to fight the next battle, I would be glad to do it there. ’ Then they dealt the cards. 29
THE 12 DECISIVE BATTLES OF THE THREE INDO-CHINA WARS THIS SLIDE AND PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BY presented DAVE SABBEN by WHO RETAINS COPYRIGHT © MG DAVE SABBEN ON CREATIVE CONTENT 08 – A Shau - Hamburger Hill Questions?
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