Revisiting Mantles Griffith Stadium Home Run April 17

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Revisiting Mantle’s Griffith Stadium Home Run, April 17, 1953 A Case Study in Forensic

Revisiting Mantle’s Griffith Stadium Home Run, April 17, 1953 A Case Study in Forensic Physics Alan M. Nathan 1

Lots has been written…. Good introduction to the cast of characters and the story:

Lots has been written…. Good introduction to the cast of characters and the story: Mickey Mantle Donald Dunaway 434 Oakdale Pl. Red Patterson 2

Griffith Stadium, ca. 1960 Mickey Mantle Donald Dunaway 434 Oakdale Pl. Red Patterson 3

Griffith Stadium, ca. 1960 Mickey Mantle Donald Dunaway 434 Oakdale Pl. Red Patterson 3

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Baseball historian Bill Jenkinson no more than 515 ft. and probably 10 ft less

Baseball historian Bill Jenkinson no more than 515 ft. and probably 10 ft less 5

Baseball Physicist Bob Adair Page 103: “…a more precise calculation gives… 506 ft, with

Baseball Physicist Bob Adair Page 103: “…a more precise calculation gives… 506 ft, with an uncertainy … no more than 5 ft” 6

Chapter 6: One Big Day (includes my analysis) Due out October 2010 7

Chapter 6: One Big Day (includes my analysis) Due out October 2010 7

Sanborn Map of Area 460 ft 434 Oakdale 565 ft 8

Sanborn Map of Area 460 ft 434 Oakdale 565 ft 8

What We Know (at least approximately) • Ball hit glancing blow on sign and

What We Know (at least approximately) • Ball hit glancing blow on sign and exited the stadium – 460 ft horizontal ft from home plate – 50 -60 ft above ground level • Donald Dunaway retrieved ball behind row houses that face 5 th St. NW – at a distance of ~565 ft from home plate • Wind was blowing out steadily at ~20 mph – with gusts up to 40 mph 9

What We Don’t Know • Batted ball parameters – speed, launch angle, and spin

What We Don’t Know • Batted ball parameters – speed, launch angle, and spin • How long it took batted ball to reach sign • Precise wind speed and direction at time of hit • Precise height where ball hit sign 10

The Big Questions: • Is there a plausible set of conditions consistent with the

The Big Questions: • Is there a plausible set of conditions consistent with the known facts? – Answer: yes, as we shall see • Given all the uncertainties, what constraints can we place on the distance the ball would have carried unobstructed? – I’ll tell you later 11

How to Constrain the Trajectory? • Ball hit beer sign – 460 horizontal and

How to Constrain the Trajectory? • Ball hit beer sign – 460 horizontal and 60 vertical ft. from home plate • Not enough to determine landing point – Different combinations of batted ball speed (BBS) and vertical launch angle (VLA) will hit the sign – Ambiguity nearly removed by knowing flight time (T) • Technique used by hittrackeronline. com – But we don’t know any of those things 12

An Example 13

An Example 13

 • We have a dilemma… Need more info to remove ambiguity – e.

• We have a dilemma… Need more info to remove ambiguity – e. g, BBS, VLA, T, … – An aside: I don’t know how previous analyses avoided this dilemma • But we have one additional piece of information… – Ball was retrieved behind row houses • …a fact seemingly ignored in previous analyses • …and one leading to considerably longer distance 15

. . but not ignored in compempory accounts From Louis Effrat, NYT April 19,

. . but not ignored in compempory accounts From Louis Effrat, NYT April 19, 1953 Louis Effrat. "Mantle Homer Hit Into Hall of Fame; Cooperstown Shrine Will Get Ball and Bat Used by Yanks in Wallop at Capital. ” New York Times. 19 April 1953, p. S 1. 16

 • Dunaway says he retrieved the ball behind the houses facing 5 th

• Dunaway says he retrieved the ball behind the houses facing 5 th St. – Nearest house 512 ft from home plate with roof 22 ft high (thanks to Jane Leavy for that info) 17

5 th St NW beer sign 434 Oakdale 18

5 th St NW beer sign 434 Oakdale 18

Sanborn Map of Area 512 ft 460 ft 434 Oakdale 19

Sanborn Map of Area 512 ft 460 ft 434 Oakdale 19

nearest house 20

nearest house 20

Some Preliminary Conclusions • Analysis shows hitting 5 th St. and bouncing onto or

Some Preliminary Conclusions • Analysis shows hitting 5 th St. and bouncing onto or over roof not a credible option • Ball hitting roof constrains the trajectory: – VLA < 310 – BBS > 113 mph – Distance > 535 ft (!) 21

Further Observations • Lower limit = 535 ft • If ball “just hits root”,

Further Observations • Lower limit = 535 ft • If ball “just hits root”, then we can place an upper limit of 542 ft • Therefore, distance is in range 535 -542 ft – BBS ~ 113 mph 60 VLA ~ 310 22 460 512 542 22

Summary • Distance = 535 -542 ft – BBS ~ 113 mph VLA ~

Summary • Distance = 535 -542 ft – BBS ~ 113 mph VLA ~ 310 – Result insensitive to poorly know details • precise wind speed • spin on ball • … • Is this result credible? – Yes: it is nearly identical to a home run hit in 2009 23

Wladimir Balentien Home Run October 2, 2009 • Greg Rybarczyk (hittracker) provides landing point

Wladimir Balentien Home Run October 2, 2009 • Greg Rybarczyk (hittracker) provides landing point and flight time • Sportvision (hitf/x) provides BBS and VLA • Together, these constrain the full trajectory 24

Balentien vs. Mantle Balentien BBS 112. 5 mph VLA 290 D 442 ft H

Balentien vs. Mantle Balentien BBS 112. 5 mph VLA 290 D 442 ft H 62 ft Wind 15 mph* Distance 517 ft* Mantle 113. 3 mph 310 460 ft 20 mph 537 ft very similar trajectories! 25 * My analysis using hittrracker and hitf/x

Balentien vs. Mantle 26

Balentien vs. Mantle 26

Final Remarks • A plausible scenario for the HR exists • Distance is significantly

Final Remarks • A plausible scenario for the HR exists • Distance is significantly longer than previously thought – 535 -542 ft – But certainly not 565 ft • And it was aided considerably by the wind – 460 ft w/o the wind – which is still a very long drive • Thanks to Jane Leavy for a very enjoyable collaboration! 27

 • Thanks for your attention! • Questions & Comments: – a-nathan@illinois. edu –

• Thanks for your attention! • Questions & Comments: – a-nathan@illinois. edu – go. illinois. edu/physicsofbaseball 28