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November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 802. 24 Vertical Applications TAG November 2018 Meeting Bangkok, Thailand Submission Slide 1 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 802. 24 Overview • Officers – TAG Chair: – Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Tim Godfrey Ben Rolfe • Task Groups – 802. 24. 1 Smart Grid TG – 802. 24. 2 Io. T TG Tim Godfrey Chris Di. Minico • 26 Voting Members • Agenda: 24 -18 -0024 -00 -0000 • Meetings for the Week – Tuesday PM 2 – Wednesday PM 2 – Thursday PM 2 24. 1 24. 2 24. 1 • Manual attendance tracking for 802. 1 & 802. 3 members Submission Slide 2
November 2018 Agenda – 802. 24 -18 -0024 r 4 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 802. 24 Agenda - November 2018, Bangkok, Thailand 1 1. 2 1. 3 1. 4 1. 5 1. 6 1. 7 Tuesday PM 2 session Call session to order, present “Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings”, Quorum Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda Approve minutes from prior TAG meeting Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting Liaison Review 802. 24. 1 Smart Grid Task Group ITU and regulatory items 1. 8 1. 9 2 2. 1 2. 2 2. 3 2. 4 2. 5 2. 6 2. 7 2. 8 3 3. 1 3. 2 3. 3 3. 4 3. 5 3. 6 3. 7 24 -18 -0024 -04 -0000 Godfrey Godfrey 5 5 15 0 4: 00 PM 4: 05 PM 4: 10 PM 4: 15 PM 4: 20 PM 4: 35 PM Review and resolve comments on TSN White Paper comment collection New Activity Planning Recess Joint Meeting with 802. 1 TSN Godfrey/Holcomb Godfrey/Farkas 15 15 15 0 30 4: 35 PM 4: 50 PM 5: 05 PM 6: 00 PM Wednesday PM 2 session Call to Order 802. 24 TAG Discussion on "Network Integration" action item from EC leadership meeting Call to Order 802. 24. 2 Io. T Task Group 802. 24. 2 Liaison Coordinator's Report Di. Minico Godfrey Di. Minico 0 30 0 15 4: 00 PM 4: 30 PM 5: 00 PM Collaboration (informal liaison) with Wi-Fi Alliance on Io. T Use Cases) Review of Io. T white paper development Di. Minico/Godfrey Di. Minico 15 15 5: 15 PM 5: 30 PM Discussion on plan and new activities for Io. T task group and broader engagement Recess Di. Minico/Godfrey 15 0 5: 45 PM 6: 00 PM Godfrey 0 30 4: 00 PM Godfrey 15 4: 30 PM Godfrey/Rolfe Tim Godfrey 30 20 EPRI 10 0 4: 45 PM 5: 15 PM 5: 35 PM 5: 45 PM Thursday PM 2 session Call to Order 802. 24. 1 Smart Grid Task Group Comments and feedback from NIST on Smart Grid Wireless Standards Matrix Any incoming comments from IEEE PES PSCC S 6 Task Force regarding 802. 24 contribution to "Standards for integrating Home Automation Io. T to Power Utilities Communication System" Liasion Discussion of IEC SEG 8 report "Monitoring and impact assessment of emerging technologies and architectures" Coordination with 802. 19 on 802. 15. 4 g and 802. 11 ah Coexistence project Submission Slide 3 802. 24 New Action Items, New Activities, AOB Adjourn Godfrey,
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Guidelines for IEEE-SA Meetings l All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. l Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. l Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. l Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. l l Technical considerations remain primary focus Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. l Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. l Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed… do formally object. -------------------------------- If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at patcom@ieee. org or visit http: //standards. ieee. org/about/sasb/patcom/index. html See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5. 3. 10 and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details. This slide set is available at https: //development. standards. ieee. org/myproject/Public/mytools/mob/preparslides. ppt Submission IEEE 802 Executive Committee
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings Participation in any IEEE 802 meeting (Sponsor, Sponsor subgroup, Working Group subgroup, etc. ) is on an individual basis • Participants in the IEEE standards development individual process shall act based on their qualifications and experience. (https: //standards. ieee. org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws. pdf section 5. 2. 1) • IEEE 802 Working Group membership is by individual; “Working Group members shall participate in the consensus process in a manner consistent with their professional expert opinion as individuals, and not as organizational representatives”. (subclause 4. 2. 1 “Establishment”, of the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures) • Participants have an obligation to act and vote as an individual and not under the direction of any other individual or group. A Participant’s obligation to act and vote as an individual applies in all cases, regardless of any external commitments, agreements, contracts, or orders. • Participants shall not direct the actions or votes of any other member of an IEEE 802 Working Group or retaliate against any other member for their actions or votes within IEEE 802 Working Group meetings, see https: //standards. ieee. org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws. pdf section 5. 2. 1. 3 and the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures, subclause 3. 4. 1 “Chair”, list item x. By participating in IEEE 802 meetings, you accept these requirements. If you do not agree to these policies then you shall not participate. (Latest revision of IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures: http: //www. ieee 802. org/devdocs. shtml ) Submission Slide 5 IEEE 802 Executive Committee
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Administration • Attendance take on IMAT – Reciprocal rights for most WGs • Web page – http: //www. ieee 802. org/24 • Mailing list – stds-802 -24@listserv. ieee. org – 802 -24 -voters@listserv. ieee. org (voters list) • Document archive – http: //mentor. ieee. org/802. 24/documents • IEEE 802 announcement reflector, stds-802 -all@listserv. ieee. org – Send email to listserv@listserv. ieee. org with no subject and with the – following 2 lines appearing first in the body of the message Subscribe stds-802 -all end Submission Slide 6 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 802. 24 TAG • Approve September minutes – 24 -18 -0021 r 0 • TAG Action Items from September: – Send Sub-1 GHz white paper back to Tanya at IEEE for publishing. – Farrokh Khatibi will provide introduction to ATIS group for liaison Submission Slide 7 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Sub 1 GHz White Paper • Returned by Tanya at IEEE for final review • Review, return, and approve to publish Submission Slide 8 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Tuesday 802. 24. 1 Smart Grid TG Submission Slide 9 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 ITU and Radio Regulatory Items • Update from 802. 18 – Jay Holcomb • Open Questions – RE: FCC notice on 3. 7 – 4. 2 GHz. Are sharing rules similar to CBRS? • Implication of CBRS rules for Smart Grid FANs - topic for white paper? • Existing 802 standards – 802. 11 y – not used, – 802. 16 not use. – 802. 15. 4 HRP-UWB low band (Part 15 – licensing doesn’t matter) – 1. 4 GHz spectrum recently announced is being used for telemetry in oil/gas industry with 802. 16 s • Traditional license model – geographic ownership • Part 90 Submission Slide 10 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 TSN White Paper • 802. 1 TSN interested parties joining 802. 24 for this meeting slot • Comment Collection – The 802. 24 TAG and 802. 1 TSN TG solicit comments on 802. 24 -18 -0011 -00 -sgtg "Utility Applications of Time Sensitive Networking White Paper" – Comment submittal spreadsheet provided • Combined Comments Document – (to be prepared after closing of collection) Submission Slide 11 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Future Opportunities Tracking • At plenary meetings – review upcoming needs and opportunities for 802. 24 projects. • Are there any new utility industry activities or organizations that could benefit from a liaison to 802. 24? – ATIS is developing spreadsheet to classify Io. T services, and their characteristics, and communication link requirements. Establish a liaison with that group. – Potentially have a liaison request by September meeting • Can we progress or expand the activities of the Io. T Task Group? • Haptics and Teleoperation as a vertical application (1 -5 m. S latency) – 802 can be a complement to URLLC in industrial communications, remote surgery, • Suggested by Paul Nikolich: – Real Time Applications – extending TSN to wireless – 802. 21 activity around VR Submission Slide 12 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 “Low latency” White Paper • Achieving low latency with IEEE 802 standards – Including wired and wireless communications – An alternative (or complement) to 5 G URLLC • A set of vertical applications enabled by low latency • The challenges of reliable low latency in unlicensed spectrum. – Adapting TSN’s “FRER” feature – Adapting 802 wireless to licensed spectrum? – Operating over multiple bands or channels? • Special cases for high data rates for immersive video • Several people interested in contributing • Action: – Post call for contributions – Start reviewing contributions in January Submission Slide 13 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Future Opportunities Tracking (. 2) • 802. 24 white paper on Io. T and P 2413? – Maybe more towards completion of P 2413? – Agnostic to underlying communications, but applicable to all 802 standards. – Highlight the relationship between P 2413 and 802 standards Submission Slide 14 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 • doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Future Opportunities Tracking 802. 15. 12 ULI – Incorporating features from 802. 15. 9 RP which are currently used in utility networking into ULI standard – Some other areas of potential interest – Develop use cases and examples of an integrated multi-802 network including 802. 15. Explain the 48/64 bit bridging issues and solutions. – Still in development (review again at end of 2018) • 802. 15. 4 s SMR – spectrum management resources – – Can 802. 24 provide an input with respect to Smart Grid or Io. T? IEC 65 C WG 17 dealing with coexistence management and spectrum policy ETSI TCRRS reconfigurable radio systems ETSI TCERM WG 41 – defining a central coordination point to handle spectrum. • Sharing and increasing coexistence and providing better Qo. S – July 2018 • Managing radios and link adaptation – a common issue across different radio types. • Is 4 s providing needed measurements? Can 2 -way power control be leveraged in grid applications? • Can this standard be used as a “sensor” to understand how to best use 915 MHz ISM? • Could we create an “application guide” for applying 15. 4 s in sub-1 GHz spectrum? Better sharing/coex? Submission Slide 15 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Other Future Opportunities • 802. 15. 4 w LPWAN (and links to IETF) – An 802 -based alternative to proprietary LPWAN’s – White paper to compare and contrast with other LPWAN technologies? • See where IG-DEP goes. – See what the new direction is…. • Applying new bands and channel plans – 802. 15. 4 u and 802. 15. 4 v completed. Add bands in various regions for existing 802. 15. 4 PHYs commonly used in smart grid. • Action: – Early 2019: Plan update of first white paper to address latest amendments of 802. 15. 4 w, x, y Submission Slide 16 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 2019 Planning • “Low latency” White Paper – Start in January • A whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases of Sub 1 GHz standards 802. 15. 4 g and 802. 11 ah. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of mechanisms proposed in 802. 19 TG. – Can this also include applying 802. 15. 4 s in sub-1 GHz spectrum? • 802. 24 white paper on Io. T and P 2413 – P 2413 entering Sponsor Ballot • Update of first Smart Grid white paper to address latest amendments of 802. 15. 4 u, v, w, x, y • Nendica – Collaborate on Nendica Factory Io. T? Submission Slide 17 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Recess until 18: 00 Then Joint meeting with TSN in Pavilion 1&2 – 4 th Floor Submission Slide 18 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 TSN White Paper – Joint review with 802. 1 TSN Submission Slide 19 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Wednesday 802. 24 TAG Submission Slide 20 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 “Network Integration” action item • Action assigned from 802 EC leadership conference in July. – Discussion on role and positioning of IEEE 802 in standards, especially with respect to 3 GPP and the publicity on “ 5 G” • What is meant by Network Integration? – Does the IEEE 802 architecture provide a unique value to vertical market? – Is IEEE 802 more suited to deployment in the communication infrastructure of private enterprise, industry, and the individual user? (Compared to 3 GPP, which is more oriented towards service providers? ) – The IEEE 802 architecture enables networks that are like Ethernet: Well understood, mature, predictable. A “cleaner” integration of disparate technologies under the common architecture and addressing. • Can we develop a clearer definition and description of this distinction and the value for the user / implementer? • Can this be developed into a white paper? Submission Slide 21 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Contribution • Max Riegel • Thoughts on IEEE 802 network integration with respect to P 802. 1 CF • 24 -18 -0026 r 0 Submission Slide 22 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Discussion • • Based on many discussions of the place of 802. 11 in 5 G. 5 G SC – Conclusions – AANI integrating 802. 11 into 5 G domain. Nothing corresponding in 3 GPP – Industry connections – NENDICA • Flexible Factory Io. T, Data Center Bridging • • What’s missing – a picture of 802 as a peer to 5 G 5 G promises they will do “everything” – But, they don’t do anything wired • 5 G requires an extensive PLMN to support it. – It is designed to help the cellular operator grow their market • • Verticals might not want an operator in the middle of their network Value proposition: 802 networks are customer-owned – Example – Santa Clara Emergency services issues Submission Slide 23 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Wednesday 802. 24. 2 Io. T TG Submission Slide 24 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 802. 24. 2 • 802. 24. 2 Liaison Coordinator's Report – Peter Jones • Wi-Fi Alliance Liaison – Informal structure – Sharing WFA document on Io. T Use Cases – Review and response Submission Slide 25 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 802. 24. 2 • Status and development of Io. T White paper – 802. 24 -17 -0036 r 2 – Ludwig is developing some related materials. – Can we pull new developments from P 2413 into this white paper? • Start Single Pair Ethernet white paper through IEEE process – 802. 24 -18 -0011 r 0 – Comment collection on reflector – TIA and IEC standards related to SPE and Io. T • TIA TR 42 report to 802. 3, ISO IEC SC 25 • Power over Ethernet – UL and NEC are getting involved Submission Slide 26 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Building engagement in TG 2 Io. T • Discussion on plan and new activities for Io. T task group and broader engagement • What are the Io. T activities in IEEE 802? – 802. 15. 4 – Wi-SUN is going after Io. T in addition to Smart Grid – 802. 15. 4 w – LPWA another Io. T focus – 802. 11 ah (Halow), 802. 11 ba (WUR) • Can we find volunteers to contribute to Io. T white paper? Submission Slide 27 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Thursday 802. 24. 1 Smart Grid TG Submission Slide 28 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Wireless Matrix • Feedback and questions have come in from SEPA and NIST • IEEE Std 802. 11 ah: – – – • IEEE Std 802. 11, 802. 11 ac, 802. 11 n: – • What version did we use to populate the matrix that the spreadsheet content file was dated 09 -03 -13 (assuming that was 2013)? What David called out and I see also is the IEEE Std 802. 11 ah-2016 (approved Dec 2016, pub May 2017). I really thought the prior work was just on released standards, was I wrong? Tim reported early on that 802. 11 ah review/update was delegated to Alfred Asterjadhi and it was completed, except for a spectrum efficiency Q which was assigned to 802. 11 ax chair to investigate. Was that 11 ah review/updated folded back into the matrix? Tim/Doug this is a question for you two. If the 11 ah update folded in, my diff compare between the earlier 2013 matrix version with our working version, did not indicate any content changes for 11 ah. So did the IEEE members of this year’s matrix review/updating, work from 2016 version and did note any diffs from the 2013 -2014 era content? Was 802. 11 reviewed and updated? If updated, which version was it updated to? If it was the latest version, then as David stated, the latest version of 802. 11 is 802. 11 -2016 and it contains 802. 11 ac-2013 and 802. 11 n-2009 and therefor the entries for 11 ac and 11 n should be deleted, correct? The assumption is that 11 n and 11 ac names should be changed to indicate 802. 11 n-2009 and 802. 11 ac 2013. IEEE 802. 15. 4 HRP-UWB – David using that ref for web searches does bring up several scholarly hits via Google, or check with Ruben Salazar (Landis+Gyr) Uploaded commented version: 24 -18 -0028 -00 -sgtg-wireless-characteristics-matrix-update-2018 -08 -29 -Draft-dot 24 edits. xlsx Submission Slide 29 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 IEEE PSCC TF S 6 • January 2018 Study Report – "Standards for integrating Home Automation Io. T to Power Utilities Communication Systems“ • Placeholder for any discussing any liaison input or review of new draft • Nothing received as of Nov meeting Submission Slide 30 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 Liaison with IEC SEG 8 • Scope of SEG 8: – Assess, provide an overview and prioritization of the evolution of technical development and standardization in the field of communication technologies and architectures – The report includes aspects relevant to both Smart Grid and Io. T. • Document shared in 802. 24 Private Area – IEC_SEG 8_Deliverable 2_draft_181118_ext_cl ean. pdf Submission Slide 31 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 IEC SEG 8 • Document review and discussion • Key chapters relevant to input from 802. 24 – – – Io. T Technologies Single-pair Ethernet (SPE) Deterministic Networking Low-Power Wide-Area Networks (LPWAN) V 2 V, V 2 I, V 2 P and V 2 N communication technologies • Updated version uploaded to private area with annotations – IEC_SEG 8_Deliverable 2_draft_181118_ext_(dot 24 annotations 2018 -11 -15). pdf • Call for other 802 WGs to participate in review and provide comments Submission Slide 32 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 802. 15. 4 g and 802. 11 ah Coexistence • 802. 24 will develop a whitepaper/document for applicationspecific use cases. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of other changes. • Identify use cases where 802. 15. 4 g is not sufficient and both are needed • Could be choices of applications, channel guidelines, duty cycle, • Avoid perception that 802 standards are unable to coexist • Evaluate and describe potential application-level implications of delay/latency increases due to mutual interference • If NS-3 simulation models can be shared, others in IEEE 802 could progress that work. – MERL will share simulation models on Github. – New modules for 11 ah 15. 4 g • No action at this meeting Submission Slide 33 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc. : IEEE 802. 24 -18 -0025 r 3 802. 24 TAG closing • Action Items from this meeting – Put Sub 1 GHz white paper on 802. 24 web site – Update Call for Comments on TSN – Call for comments on SEG 8 document • Any New Business? Submission Slide 34 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
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