LS 2 fibers G Simonetti A Tauro Recap
LS 2 fibers G. Simonetti, A. Tauro
Recap of EL offers • • • v 1. 0 – Apr 2016: 2. 699 MCHF, 27’ 072 fibers v 2 – May 2016: 2. 031 MCHF, 19’ 584 fibres v 2. 1 – Sep 2016: 2. 012 MCHF, 19’ 584 fibres v 2. 2 – Oct 2017: 1. 593 MCHF, 19’ 584 fibres v 3. 1 – Oct 2017: 1. 692 MCHF, 20’ 736 fibers v 3. 2 – Oct 2017: 1. 726 MCHF, 20’ 736 fibers & CHF/EUR 1. 2 • Still not included in the last offer: fibers CR 0 -CR 1, LC-LC MCH patch cords, splitters and fibers for trigger, final length patch cords 06/11/17 ALICE LS 2 fibers 2
Comparison of cost 06/11/17 ALICE LS 2 fibers 3
Comparison of cost 28% discount! 06/11/17 ALICE LS 2 fibers 4
Comparison of cost +170 k. CHF than avg 06/11/17 ALICE LS 2 fibers 5
Cost breakdown (CERN v 3. 2) 06/11/17 ALICE LS 2 fibers 6
CERN/DRAKA: 1. 6 x Sylex 1. 1 x Fibernet 1. 2 x H+S (Mar 2017) +30% CERN/DRAKA: 2 x Sylex 1. 4 x Fibernet 0. 8 x H+S (Mar 2017) +40% 06/11/17 ALICE fibers These offers are no longer valid (10 months ago) – LS 2 Very likely the new offers will be more expensive 7
Trunk cables Analysis SLIDES OCT 2016 EL-CF COST RATIO[%] 120 2500 2000 [VALUE]* 80 Nominal dimension [mm] -39 % -49 % 60 -52 % 40 X LE SY RN ET BE HU FI SU HN ER EN 4/ C 2 1 BE R+ X LE SY RN E BE 0 FI ER SU HN BE R+ T 20 HU Nominal weight [kg/km] REF 100 2000 1200 EN 3000 2500 2000 1500 1000 500 0 4/ [mm] MECHANICAL PROPERTIES C 2 1 LE SY RN E BE FI HU B ER +S 4/ X 20 18 16 14 13, 5 12 145 [VALUE] 10 [VALUE] 8 [VALUE]* 6 4 2 0 UH NE R EN 300 T 18 350 300 250 200 150 100 50 0 C 2 1 [kg/km] PHYSICAL DIMENSIONS Crush resistance [N] CONCLUSIONS Installation tensile strength [N] C 214 H&S Fiber. Sylex Fully compliant Not declared or to be tested Not fully compliant. US Conec MT Elite Ferrules: not declared by H&S Mechanical Properties: Undersized by H&S**, not declared by Fibernet neither Sylex. Compliance to IS 23: Not fully compliant by H&S**, not declared by Fibernet neither Sylex * estimated value based on similar cable construction design ** Assuming that new offer is technicaly similar to this initial offer. 19/10/2016 ALICE LS 2 DAQ Upgrade EN-EL-FC 8
SLIDES OCT 2016 EL-CF MPO-MPO Patch Cords Analysis PHYSICAL DIMENSIONS 500 COST RATIO [%] 120 450 REF 100 -18% 80 220 200 60 -56% -65% 40 X LE SY RN ET BE ER N /E 14 UH N FI X LE SY BE FI C 2 ER +S Crush resistance [N] 0 HU B Nominal dimension [mm] RN E ER Nominal weight [kg/km] HU BE R+ 4/ C 2 1 T 20 SU HN X LE SY RN ET BE FI ER SU HN BE R+ 2 600 500 400 300 200 100 0 HU C 2 14 /E N 2 3, 5 3 2, 5 2 1, 5 1 0, 5 0 EN 3 [kg/km] 3 [mm] 9 10 8 6 4 2 0 MECHANICAL PROPERTIES Installation tensile strength [N] CONCLUSIONS C 214 H&S Fiber. Sylex Fully compliant Not declared or to be tested Not fully compliant. US Conec MT Elite Ferrules: not specified by H&S Mechanical Properties: Not declared by H&S neither Sylex Compliance to IS 23: Not fully compliant by H&S**, not declared by Fibernet neither Sylex 19/10/2016 ALICE LS 2 DAQ Upgrade EN-EL-FC 9
SLIDES OCT 2016 EL-CF MPO-LC Fan-out Patch Cords Analysis PHYSICAL DIMENSIONS (Fan-out part) 2 COST RATIO [%] 1, 95 100 [mm] 1, 9 1, 85 1, 8 REF -19% 80 60 1, 8 -50% -54% FIBERNET SYLEX 40 1, 75 1, 7 120 20 C 214/EN HUBER+SUHNER FIBERNET SYLEX 0 C 214/EN HUBER+SUHNER Nominal dimension [mm] CONCLUSIONS C 214 H&S Fiber. Sylex Fully compliant Not declared or to be tested Not fully compliant. US Conec MT Elite Ferrules: not specified by H&S Mechanical Properties: Same analysis as previous slide Compliance to IS 23: Not fully compliant by H&S**, not declared by Fibernet neither Sylex 19/10/2016 ALICE LS 2 DAQ Upgrade EN-EL-FC 10
Installation • We have no comparison data • From EYETS experience: 1. 5 cable/day (including test). Time needed for 160 cables: 8 months (assuming 1 cable/day) [this coincides with EL estimate]. This would cost 250 k. CHF (team of 4 people, 40 E/h, 40 h/w) • EL offer: 300 k. CHF • Supervision: EL agrees if we inject (part of) these 200 k. CHF as manpower 06/11/17 ALICE LS 2 fibers 11
Concluding • +175 k. CHF on supply • +50 ~ 100 k. CHF on installation à CERN offer 200 ~ 250 k. CHF (15%) more expensive than hypothetical ITT à supply paid by detectors: estimate (2016) 1. 3 MCHF (can cover also installation cost) 06/11/17 ALICE LS 2 fibers 12
For the discussion… ITT: J room for savings L risk (2 contracts) L have to demonstrate compliance to CERN safety std. L paper work 06/11/17 EN-EL: L more expensive L supervision paid extra J cost known J compliance to CERN safety std. J environment known ALICE LS 2 fibers 13
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