Last updated January 2013 Some Poynton Conundrums With

Last updated January 2013 Some Poynton Conundrums With follow-up Keith Jaggers www. jaggers-heritage. com

Poynton Conundrums: - follow-up items 1. Where was the “Horse & Jockey” public house? 2. When was Lower Park Lodge built? 3. Is Jepson’s Tenement the same as Haybrook? 4. Where was Broad Oak Farm? 5. Location of mine drainage sough entrance 6. Where were Springfield Cottages? 7. Where was Coke Hall? 8. What do the census property numbers refer to? 9. Location of 5 properties in 1911 census? 10. An appeal for old photographs!

William Salt – publican of Poynton • born 1785 , Derbyshire • At the Crescent Inn, London Rd N, 1818 -1828 (renamed Warren Bulkeley Arms in 1822) • At the Horse & Jockey from 1828 – where was it? Midway? • At the Bull’s Head from 1834. 1841 census confirms this was in Poynton Village, 2 nd house from N, opposite Crescent (this had a “brewhouse” run by Peter Hall in 1793) • Built the new Bull’s Head and adjoining 4 cottages “Salt’s Row” in 1845 on present site Retired 1850 to one of his cottages. Taylor family then ran pub for many years Pub re-fronted and extended into first cottage around 1910

The other Early Poynton pubs Vernon Arms: was The Roebuck, then Bulkeley’s Arms. Was called the Griffin 1822 to 1850; Mary Hough was landlady 1822 -28. Midway House or Vernon Arms Hotel, 1851 on (Clayton Family, who also ran Midway Farm) Crescent Inn (“The New Inn” 1793, Warren Bulkeley Arms 1822 -1828): William Salt 1818 -28, then Allen family. Ceased to be a pub c. 1855, then became the Doctor’s House Farmer’s Arms: started circa 1855, Higginbotham family Church Inn: around 1864 -73 only (Fletcher), otherwise just a shop. Site now “Mates” shop Boar’s Head: started c. 1872 at Woodhouse Farm (Wood family) Railway Inn: c. 1881 -91 only (Wainwright); at no. 2 Lostock Terrace? Pack Horse: in Worth (Midway? ) from c. 1822 -28 only

When was Lower Park Lodge built? The Wilmslow Turnpike Road as shown on 1789 plan was diverted along what is now Chester Road in 1819. The old route then became Lower Park Road, and the area was enclosed by gates & lodges, by the Warren family. However the rebuilt Lodge carries the build date 1780 The 1793 estate map & terrier index does not show or list the building. . so the modern date plaque is incorrect!

Is Jepson’s Tenement the same as Haybrook? Haybrook is a listed building, 17 th century. Shown but never named on the large-scale OS maps. The 1793 & 1849 estate surveys & maps show this location as the Bradshaw family small –holding. They were still there in 1861 -71 -81. In the latter two censuses, the residence is recorded as Jepson’s Tenement, so they are one and the same

Where was Broad Oak Farm? 1851 census: John Jepson, 36 farmer of 15 acres employing one man (he is already there in 1841). But in 1861 he is at “Brickyard Farm” – later (and currently) known as Lower Park Farm. The 1849 estate survey and map confirms that Broad Oak Farm was on the site of the present Finger Post Cottages; The censuses show that about 1855, Broad Oak Farmhouse (built 1807) was divided into the 2 cottages, which have remained thus since then. Thanks to Gill Kendall for putting me on the right track with this one

Sir George Warren’s mine drainage sough Constructed about 1780: “Near the Black Hole” “Draining pits at Cawley Nursery” The entrance is still visible in winter from the Ladybrook Trail. . . 1983 photo courtesy of David Kitching. . . Almost hidden by vegetation in 2011. . . .

Where were Springfield Cottages? In 1881 census, appear adjacent to Elm Beds and Mount Vernon entries; however no other buildings are shown on the maps here then. . . This was a total red herring! The enumerator seems to have missed them out on his earlier journey along Dicken’s Lane, and goes back to them at the end of his round! They are nos 239 -245 (odd), Dicken’s Lane

Where was Coke Hall? In 1841 census appears after the Accommodation houses and before “Coppice” In 1851 ditto, shown as “Accommodation: Coke Hall” 1861 = “Copy Side” 1871 = “In the Coppice” The 1849 estate survey and map shows it on the north side of the lane, just west of Keeper’s Cottage. The 1870 s OS map (above) shows it, but was demolished soon afterwards. Site is now the front garden of “By the Brook”

What do the census property numbers mean? In the 1881, 1891 & 1911 censuses, many properties are numbered: e. g. Worth Clough Cottages (Petre Bank): 82 -98 inclusive Mount Vernon: 16 -19 Ten Row: 124 -133 Long Row: 139 -162 Newtown: 198 -231 The highest number found was 299. The numbers are consistent over several censuses, but there are some gaps; perhaps only the ones which actually carried visible numbers were recorded? Up to around 195 the properties are numbered from east to west, indicating that the scheme was started in about 1871. After 196 the numbers are randomly scattered, indicating the order in which they were built or purchased after 1871? Curiously however, the numbers do not appear at all in the 1901 census! They all appear to be Vernon Estate directly-tenanted properties, as distinct from those which were let by the builder / leaseholder, who collected his own rents and paid a Chief Rent to the Estate.

1911 Census: Where were these properties? (Do they still exist? ) 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Cornwood = mis-indexed; should be Carr Wood (no) Hollywood Lodge = 1 of the 2 Cawley Lodges, near New House Farm (no) Oak Meadow = present Vicarage (yes) Pastures Clough = mis-indexed; should be Horse Pastures, Potter’s Clough (yes) Clemata Cottage appears to be no. 47 London Road South (east side) (yes)

An appeal for old photographs! Higher Barn London Road N Barlow Fold – the garden front (2 images found) Crescent Inn, London Road N (2 images found) Eight Row, Chester Road Poynton Place Bower Stumps Farm The Old Police Station (2 images found) Beechfield (1 image found)

Keith Jaggers www. jaggers-heritage. com