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Electronic Medical Records in the Emergency Department The downsides… Neal Chawla, MD Dept of

Electronic Medical Records in the Emergency Department The downsides… Neal Chawla, MD Dept of Emergency Medicine INOVA Fairfax Hospital

Disclaimer �While this is a talk about the downsides of EMR, in my opinion

Disclaimer �While this is a talk about the downsides of EMR, in my opinion these downsides are easily outweighed by the upsides �But there are downsides

Topics � 1. � 2. � 3. � 4. � 5. Information Entry Too

Topics � 1. � 2. � 3. � 4. � 5. Information Entry Too Much Information Allergy Reactions – The 80/20 Rule Immature CPOE Downtime

INFORMATION ENTRY

INFORMATION ENTRY

Information Entry �What is good? �We can capture more patient information �What is bad?

Information Entry �What is good? �We can capture more patient information �What is bad? �Someone has to spend TIME entering that information

Information - Templates And that’s just the HPI! (History of Present Illness)

Information - Templates And that’s just the HPI! (History of Present Illness)

Information �There’s also the Physical Exam �On every patient… Are we done yet? ?

Information �There’s also the Physical Exam �On every patient… Are we done yet? ? ?

Information �Almost. Review of Systems.

Information �Almost. Review of Systems.

Information �A large percentage of the previous slides has solely a billing function �This

Information �A large percentage of the previous slides has solely a billing function �This is before medications, labs, radiology ordered �This note is not a Medical Decision-Making

How much does all this charting help our patients?

How much does all this charting help our patients?

The Most Expensive Data Entry Clerk �With EMR, it is estimated that physicians spend

The Most Expensive Data Entry Clerk �With EMR, it is estimated that physicians spend 15 minutes out of every hour charting

What is the cost? �Average ED Physician making $150/hr �$37. 50/hr spent on charting

What is the cost? �Average ED Physician making $150/hr �$37. 50/hr spent on charting �This just the professional rate �Other costs ◦ Lost Productivity ◦ Time away from patient’s bedside

Any solutions? Scribes ◦ Personal Human Assistant ◦ Follow physicians and document at bedside

Any solutions? Scribes ◦ Personal Human Assistant ◦ Follow physicians and document at bedside Macros ◦ Quicker documentation ◦ Drop a normal macro and change abnormals ◦ Potential to overdocument ◦ Does this help patients? ?

TOO MUCH INFORMATION

TOO MUCH INFORMATION

Too Much Information �Easy to document a lot of information ◦ Templates, checkboxes, etc.

Too Much Information �Easy to document a lot of information ◦ Templates, checkboxes, etc. ◦ Macros, Scribes �Result is fulfilling insurance requirements for increased billing �Any benefit to patient care?

Too Much Information �I would argue opposite �Leads to worse patient care �Mountain of

Too Much Information �I would argue opposite �Leads to worse patient care �Mountain of medical records which takes a long time to go through �Little of this information is clinically useful ◦ Needle in a haystack

Too Much Information �Is it worth my time to even look at all? ◦

Too Much Information �Is it worth my time to even look at all? ◦ Now I may miss important information �See sample chart

Autofaxes �Great Concept! �When patient leaves the Emergency Department, automatically fax the chart to

Autofaxes �Great Concept! �When patient leaves the Emergency Department, automatically fax the chart to the Primary Care Doctor �Seems beneficial. .

Small Samples from my Inbox. .

Small Samples from my Inbox. .

Why don’t they want our faxes? � They are about 10 pages long �

Why don’t they want our faxes? � They are about 10 pages long � The important information can be communicated in a few lines � Our EMR can’t parse out the important information, so it sends everything � Sometimes you can’t even tell what happened ◦ You are reading checkboxes and dropdowns � But many EMR’s can’t autofax at all, so still an improvement, just immature. .

ALLERGY REACTIONS – THE 80/20 RULE

ALLERGY REACTIONS – THE 80/20 RULE

80/20 Rule �You know this rule and it has many applications in the world

80/20 Rule �You know this rule and it has many applications in the world � 80% of programming needed for good patient care software is easier ◦ The last 20% is much harder, takes into consideration special circumstances, and takes much longer ◦ So it is often skipped

80/20 – Allergy Reactions � Wow! Our system warns us about possible allergy reactions

80/20 – Allergy Reactions � Wow! Our system warns us about possible allergy reactions � Wait a minute! Codeine has no real allergy reaction with benadryl. � Codeine doesn’t interact with Tylenol either � I have ALERT FATIGUE � It feels like the boy who cried wolf

80/20 – Allergy Reactions �We get warnings about significant reactions �We also get many

80/20 – Allergy Reactions �We get warnings about significant reactions �We also get many warnings about insignificant reactions �We get a flag but it doesn’t tell us what the actual reaction is

80/20 – Allergy Reactions � 2 problems here. . �We get alert fatigue and

80/20 – Allergy Reactions � 2 problems here. . �We get alert fatigue and learn to skip thru warnings, so we may miss an important one �We see an insignificant warning and withhold a beneficial medication for a feared reaction that doesn’t exist in reality

IMMATURE CPOE

IMMATURE CPOE

Immature CPOE �What is good? �We can order labs electronically �No more paper

Immature CPOE �What is good? �We can order labs electronically �No more paper

Immature CPOE �What �The is bad? order-set could be better �I only order the

Immature CPOE �What �The is bad? order-set could be better �I only order the CSF tests together when I do a spinal tap, why are they apart?

Immature CPOE �Can �It we improve? was a BIG project to get this fixed

Immature CPOE �Can �It we improve? was a BIG project to get this fixed �We switched the names so it falls in alpha order but pointed to the same lab code

DOWNTIME

DOWNTIME

Downtime �Systems need to be taken down for maintenance �Often 2 -4 hours at

Downtime �Systems need to be taken down for maintenance �Often 2 -4 hours at a time �Our ED is never quiet for that long �Labs or imaging or other may have to go to paper �This causes workflow problems and increases chances of a safety event

Downtime �We have become dependent on EMR systems �Going to paper in my mind

Downtime �We have become dependent on EMR systems �Going to paper in my mind is an internal disaster �Results can get lost, we can’t track our patients as easily, communication breaks down �This is one of the most dangerous times in the ED, even with good downtime procedures

EMR - Conclusions �I would not go back to paper �EMR has many more

EMR - Conclusions �I would not go back to paper �EMR has many more benefits than problems �But there are downsides

TRAINING

TRAINING

Training �On paper there is minimal training required �For our EMR, I spend 3

Training �On paper there is minimal training required �For our EMR, I spend 3 hours with each doc orienting them to our system �The doc takes about 2 -4 weeks to get comfortable with this system, and is less productive during this time

Training �May have a greater effect on nursing �Especially traveler nurses / locum tenens

Training �May have a greater effect on nursing �Especially traveler nurses / locum tenens ◦ Work for approx 3 months, then move on ◦ High cost of training

Training �Maybe some day… �EMR’s will be fairly standard and intuitive so only minimum

Training �Maybe some day… �EMR’s will be fairly standard and intuitive so only minimum training is necessary �We will be a lot more familiar with computers and EMR’s so training will be easier �But that is not today

TOOLS NOT SOLUTIONS

TOOLS NOT SOLUTIONS

Tools not Solutions �EMR’s �This are often sold as “Solutions. ” is sales. .

Tools not Solutions �EMR’s �This are often sold as “Solutions. ” is sales. . �EMR’s need another 20 years(? ) until they are truly mature and robust �Currently, they are tools slowly becoming solutions