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Chronic Arsenic Poisoning at Low Doses: Some recent epidemiological findings and implications for arsenic

Chronic Arsenic Poisoning at Low Doses: Some recent epidemiological findings and implications for arsenic exposure Lecture at London School of Tropical Medicine and Hygienc 12. 45 pm, Thursday December 6 th 2001 by Richard Wilson Mallinckrodt Research Professor of Physics Harvard University

Problems with NAS report (2001) Uses Taiwan ecological data as a basis Straight line

Problems with NAS report (2001) Uses Taiwan ecological data as a basis Straight line to the national incidence Ignores all other data Data in tables, in graphs and in text are different “it is wise to compare the results of the assessment with the real world” (2 pages out of 188)

ARSENIC Metal Molecular weight 74. 92 Melting Point 8170 C Specific Gravity 5. 73

ARSENIC Metal Molecular weight 74. 92 Melting Point 8170 C Specific Gravity 5. 73 Many compounds and minerals

 • Arsenic has been used for over 3000 years • As 2 O

• Arsenic has been used for over 3000 years • As 2 O 3 ARSENLITE • by roasting As 2 S or Fe. As. S • As 2 S 3 ORPIMENT • Pb. HAs. O 4 SHULTENITE • KH(ASO 2)2 Fowler’s Solution • CH 3 As. O(ON 2)2 • CH 3 As. O(OH)ONa • Pesticides with various names

Common Sources Non-Ferrous Smelters Coal Burning Cotton Gins Cigarette smoke

Common Sources Non-Ferrous Smelters Coal Burning Cotton Gins Cigarette smoke

Early Information (pre 1986) Acutely Toxic to Rodents and People Used as Medicine Fowler’s

Early Information (pre 1986) Acutely Toxic to Rodents and People Used as Medicine Fowler’s solution 1% in alcohol Cure for Syphilis (recent) cure for leukemia

Early Information (pre 1986) contd. 1888 Skin lesions and Cancers 1897 Lung cancer from

Early Information (pre 1986) contd. 1888 Skin lesions and Cancers 1897 Lung cancer from pesticides 1920 s lung cancer from smelters 1950 s angiosarcoma from pesticides BUT no cancers in rodents

Early Misconception (pre 1986) Rodents dont get cancer, therefore people wont Inhalation a special

Early Misconception (pre 1986) Rodents dont get cancer, therefore people wont Inhalation a special case with non-linearity (but Zeise and I contested that)

Preliminary warning • TSENG et al found skin Tumors in TAIWAN • BUT •

Preliminary warning • TSENG et al found skin Tumors in TAIWAN • BUT • They appeared to follow a threshold relationship.

THE GREAT SURPRIZE In 1986 C J Chen And collaborators reported internal cancers in

THE GREAT SURPRIZE In 1986 C J Chen And collaborators reported internal cancers in the same area of Taiwan IGNORED FOR 5 YEARS! Why? Only a Chinese study (as bad as the Russians? ) 1990 Allan Smith 1991 Byrd, Lamm Wilson took him seriously

THE GREAT SURPRIZE The internal cancers seemed to be linear with dose and the

THE GREAT SURPRIZE The internal cancers seemed to be linear with dose and the risk is huge. BUT: An ecological study and Only in one location and there might be another cause

THE VINDICATION CHILE ARGENTINE INNER MONGOLIA BANGLADESH WEST BENGAL NO PREVIOUS STUDY INCONSISTENT

THE VINDICATION CHILE ARGENTINE INNER MONGOLIA BANGLADESH WEST BENGAL NO PREVIOUS STUDY INCONSISTENT

LOW DOSE LINARITY the regulatory default • Crump Guess and Peto of 1975

LOW DOSE LINARITY the regulatory default • Crump Guess and Peto of 1975

CRITICAL ISSUES FOR LINEARITY • The POLLUTANT ACTS • in the same way as

CRITICAL ISSUES FOR LINEARITY • The POLLUTANT ACTS • in the same way as • WHATEVER ELSE INFLUENCES THE • CANCER RATE • CANCERS CAUSED BY • THE POLLUTANT • ARE INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM OTHER CANCERS

THE ARGUMENTS APPLY TO ANY CARCINOGEN e. g ARSENIC

THE ARGUMENTS APPLY TO ANY CARCINOGEN e. g ARSENIC

Arsenic risk • Skin lesions may be unique • There may be a threshold

Arsenic risk • Skin lesions may be unique • There may be a threshold at • 50 -150 ppb • (Data from Taiwan and also from Inner Mongolia) • BUT • Internal cancers may be different

Toxicologists like Thresholds • Few (if any) toxicologists address the Peto argument. • ?

Toxicologists like Thresholds • Few (if any) toxicologists address the Peto argument. • ? ? Threshold for bladder cancer and not for lung cancer? ? • ED 01 data on 2 DAA • linear for liver • threshold for bladder • anticarcarcinogen for others • WHY IS THERE SO MUCH CANCER IF EVERYTHING HAS A THRESHOLD?

Many Legislators still want < 1 in a million! Where does this leave regulation

Many Legislators still want < 1 in a million! Where does this leave regulation of arsenic? Limits should be 5 ppt! (not practical)

Arsenic risk • For internal cancers • At 500 ppb Measured Risk • (Chile)

Arsenic risk • For internal cancers • At 500 ppb Measured Risk • (Chile) is 10% • If linear, • risk is one in a million • at 5 parts per trillion!! • “background” is about • 2 parts per billion

MY CONCLUSION (REPEAT OF 20 YEARS AGO) IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO REGULATE A

MY CONCLUSION (REPEAT OF 20 YEARS AGO) IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO REGULATE A ONE IN A MILLION LIFETIME RISK CONSISTENTLY • ATTEMPTS TO DO SO • ARE • ARBITRARY • and • CAPRICIOUS

How should we dispose of ARSENIC? (contd) EPA says that Arsenic need not be

How should we dispose of ARSENIC? (contd) EPA says that Arsenic need not be put in a secure landfill. BUT If the proposed EPA regulations for Yucca Mountain are applied No water system in USA and not much agricultural land would be in compliance.

Can One Prove a threshold? MAYBE if one focusses on the right question: Similarity

Can One Prove a threshold? MAYBE if one focusses on the right question: Similarity to Asbestos Benzene

Can One Prove a threshold? (2) MEREWEATHER”S QUESTION (1937) Is it ASBESTOS or is

Can One Prove a threshold? (2) MEREWEATHER”S QUESTION (1937) Is it ASBESTOS or is it the ASBESTOSIS that is caused by asbestos that causes the lung cancers? If the former LNT is likely If the latter LNT is less likely

Can One Prove a threshold? (3) There semes to be a threshold for SKIN

Can One Prove a threshold? (3) There semes to be a threshold for SKIN LESIONS (should be studied further) Are lung cancers more or less likely if there are skin lesions? (Allan Smith may tell us)

Can One Prove a threshold? (4) Are the lung cancers really indistinguishable from background

Can One Prove a threshold? (4) Are the lung cancers really indistinguishable from background cancers? If NOT Peto’s argument does not apply Try DNA matching on lung tumor samples. Similarly for asbestos cancers, radiation leukemias etc.